Jamatkhana proposed in Hoover, Alabama
It seems that there is both good news and bad news concerning the proposed Jamatkhana at the intersection of Al Seier Rd and Sulphur Springs Rd. It is not a mosque (no that would be the BIS site on Hackberry Ln, which has caused confusion to some bloggers) and the ismailis may not be muslims. The bad news is that they do claim to be muslims in their constitution.
The trouble -or is this good news?- is that they go on to say that,
While the "Imam of the Time" may not be recognised as a "prophet" of ismailism , he is invested with undisputed powers of interpretation. Effectively such "full authority" means that mo' is not actually the "last and final" prophet of ismailism as is stated in article (A). And, I'm not sure if that is a good or bad thing, but I'm pretty sure it is shirk in islamic tradition.
Hopefully it means that ismailis are not as stuck on the principle of the murderous pedophile being al-insan al-kamil. And, the, apparent pluralist and philanthropic, words and deeds of the Aga Khan do suggest that ismailis might have been provided, by their Imam, with more flexible interpretations of violent koranic verses than those read by more traditional muslims. But flexibility does not necessarily entail that the current Imam will always be one with the image of a jet setting philanthropist. Nor does it settle whether the Aga Khan prevaricates as a pluralist or as a muslim. He surely prevaricates about his finances.
And while his speeches and philanthropic ventures might suggest that he is truly accepting of the infidels right to live, a Der Speigel interview of October 12, 2006 is full of beguiling non-answers and gentle redirection of any blame toward islam. He said in regards to;
the Jylland's Posten cartoons,
(A) The Shia Imami Ismaili Muslims affirm the Shahadah 'La- ilaha illallih, Muhammadur Rasulu-llah'. the Tawhid therein and that the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Salla-llahu alayhi wa-sallam) is the last and final Prophet of Allah. Islam, as revealed in the Holy Quran, is the final message of Allah to mankind, and is universal and eternal. The Holy Prophet (S.A.S.) through the divine revelation from Allah prescribed rules governing spiritual and temporal matters.
The trouble -or is this good news?- is that they go on to say that,
"(H) By virtue of his office and in accordance with the faith and belief of the Ismaili Muslims, the Imam enjoys full authority of governance over and in respect of all religious and Jamati matters of the Ismaili Muslims."
"(I)1.1 Mawlana Hazar Imam has inherent right and absolute and unfettered power and authority over and in respect of all religious and Jamati matters of the Ismailis."
"(I)1.2 Mawlana Hazar Imam has the sole authority to: (a) determine all questions that may arise as regards the meaning and interpretation of any religious or jamati tradition or custom of the Ismailis and amend or discontinue it at any time"
While the "Imam of the Time" may not be recognised as a "prophet" of ismailism , he is invested with undisputed powers of interpretation. Effectively such "full authority" means that mo' is not actually the "last and final" prophet of ismailism as is stated in article (A). And, I'm not sure if that is a good or bad thing, but I'm pretty sure it is shirk in islamic tradition.
Hopefully it means that ismailis are not as stuck on the principle of the murderous pedophile being al-insan al-kamil. And, the, apparent pluralist and philanthropic, words and deeds of the Aga Khan do suggest that ismailis might have been provided, by their Imam, with more flexible interpretations of violent koranic verses than those read by more traditional muslims. But flexibility does not necessarily entail that the current Imam will always be one with the image of a jet setting philanthropist. Nor does it settle whether the Aga Khan prevaricates as a pluralist or as a muslim. He surely prevaricates about his finances.
And while his speeches and philanthropic ventures might suggest that he is truly accepting of the infidels right to live, a Der Speigel interview of October 12, 2006 is full of beguiling non-answers and gentle redirection of any blame toward islam. He said in regards to;
the Jylland's Posten cartoons,
"Anyone who knows the faith of Islam, for example, would have known that the caricatures of the prohet were profoundly offensive to all Muslims."Hamas,
"Now, it's true that Hamas has a record of conflict ..."spreading faith by the sword,
"All faiths at some time in their history have used war to protect themselves or expand their influence, and there were situations when faiths have been used as justifications for military actions. But Islam does not call for that, it is a faith of peace."democracy
"My democratic beliefs do not go back to the Greek or French (thinkers) but to an era 1,400 years ago."All typical muslim prevarication, but then he gets to interpret the koran for the ismaili sect. So perhaps ismailis aren't quite the ticking time bomb as are muslims that can read the koran for themselves. Or, maybe he's lieing to us.(Taqiya)
In any event, when the supreme leader of a cult can't answer direct questions regarding the violent nature of source materials used in his syncretic blending of islam and Hinduism, one can expect that his, at least nominal, muslim followers would observe some "fear" and "distrust" from the citizens of Hoover, Alabama.
The citizens of Hoover are invited to meet me in an informal meeting that I have been participating in for some months to discuss islam and the subservient attitudes of Western dhimmis. It is at 7pm on each Thurs. and is being relocated to the Dairy Queen in Pelham for the convenience of past attendees and the residents of Sulphur Springs Road. I would like to discuss the planned Jamatkhanna with those that it will neighbor. I'm the fan of mohamed comics (black hat) and I will carry a blue scarf. I would also like to invite the participation in the local online forum, Bamalogue.
The citizens of Hoover are invited to meet me in an informal meeting that I have been participating in for some months to discuss islam and the subservient attitudes of Western dhimmis. It is at 7pm on each Thurs. and is being relocated to the Dairy Queen in Pelham for the convenience of past attendees and the residents of Sulphur Springs Road. I would like to discuss the planned Jamatkhanna with those that it will neighbor. I'm the fan of mohamed comics (black hat) and I will carry a blue scarf. I would also like to invite the participation in the local online forum, Bamalogue.
posted by maccusgermanis at 7/03/2007 08:35:00 PM
6 Comments:
A superior post!
Even though I'm not in Alabama, I understand your concern.
Start with an Islamic center, and more Muslims will come to the area. In part, that's what has happened here in Northern Virginia.
One way of gauging how many Muslims are in a given area is to watch for halal markets (and other Muslim-owned businesses). Here is a good resource for checking in your geographical area.
Thank you AOW. I wonder if you are familiar with this particular sect? I'm still trying to get an idea of how serious they take the koran. These seem alomst as warm and fuzzy as the Ahmadiyya. The actual troublesome koran and hadiths seem supplanted by Hindu inspired ginans, with the model of mo' replaced by a jet setting philanthropist. I suppose if you had to have as neighbors someone that claimed to be adherent to a seventh century death cult, you'd want someone who is so obviously divergent from said death cults first principles. I've even ran across what seems like the agakhani ismaili wholesale rejection of sharia.Am I just in infantile denial, such as we see in so many pre-dhimmi Westerners, have they hid their true intentions remarkably well, or is this a cult of apostates?
I'm not familiar with that sect.
I'll send a link to this posting of yours to The Beak. He often knows the answers to such questions.
Beak's response to me:
The key word is Ismailis. This is a Sufi sect that is opposed to the more benign sects. They are mainly a Shiite order to the best of my knowledge. Schwartz has mentioned many of the more obnoxious intollerant tendencies in the Muhlahocracy are said to be by the influence of Ismalis.
By Schwartz, Beak means Stephen Schwartz, here and here.
A bit of a tangent here....Remember those killings at Virginia Tech? Cho associated his identy with "Ismail Ax." Site about Ismail Ax.
Thank you AOW.
If I'm not mistaken, the Iranians that Beak refers to are Twelvers. The cult of the Aga Khan seems to be removed from such, by way of the Assasssins of Syria -that's reassuring-, to a modern practice of a syncretic Hindislam based in India. It would almost seem that these nizari ismailis actually are the mush-heads that our dhimmi mush-heads assume all muslims to be. Nevertheless, even if the apparent prevarications of the agakhanis are to a degree honestly motived, then under all the Hindu-like trappings are the same violent teachings of mo.'
What seems to make the most sense of their ready adaptation of whatever customs already exist is this excerpt from Louis Spence's article on assassins in his Ecyclopedia of Occultism,
"(8) The positive precepts of religion were again considered, the veil was torn from the eyes of the aspirant, all that had preceded was now declared to have been merely scaffolding to raise the edifice of knowledge, and was to be flung down. Prophets and teachers, heaven and hell, all were nothing; future bliss and misery were idle dreams; all actions were permitted."
If these ismailis believe such then the good news is that they aren't muslims, while the bad news is that they are nihilists.
Thanks for commenting, chineseswade. As a B’ham resident, perhaps you’d like to come to our Infidel Dawa at 7pm on every thurs. Julie at degreeofmadness, a handful of others, and I meet at the Dairy Queen at US 31 and Al 119 to exchange books and keep each other informed about islam related matters (reported by media in various degrees).
While Bill Engval’s vision has not come to fruition, there are clear signs in the koran, hadith, and sira that show islam to be a most dangerous ideology. When one understands this ideology, it becomes easier to distinguish between the munafiq and the mujahadeen. I noticed in today’s paper the BIS spokesman even made mention that the aga khan’s ismailis are no part of mainstream islamic tradition. No doubt, the uneducated took that to mean that the ismailis were a part of that “tiny minority of extremists,” when in fact it is the BIS that has clear association with muslims whio actually read and adhere to the teachings of the murderous pedophile. Raed Awad was imam of the mosque attended by Jose Padilla and gave testimony at his trial. It was quite telling that he spared with prosecutors over whether the Holy Land Foundation sent money to “terrorist” in Gaza or “mujahadeen” in Bonia.
My point being that, I agree that our ignorance will be the death of us. I feel that we should have no fear in voicing our opinions and concerns about muslims in our society. But the focus should be on the core problem of islam itself, while never fearing to acknowledge that particular muslims are obviously better men/women than mohamhead. We must in fact take risks, exploring the full benefit of doubt, and ask probing questions of those that claim to adhere to a seventh century death cult. Some such claimants are obviously lying. Not every apostate of the heart has made such departure clear to their associates, nor sometimes to themselves.
I have asked probing questions of local muslims, and believe it or not, tried to be less than offensive. That is why I think that the aga khan’s ismailis are no vanguard of jihadist. But, neither are they any great help against salafist revival. I can not imagine their fusion of Hindu inspired ginans with muslim tradition, and their reliance upon the interpretation of the living Aga Kahn, having any appeal to muslims at large. And even they, being nominally muslim, are susceptible to literalist revival. I think most people have a desire to, if to none else, be honest with themselves. That is the persistent invitation of literalist revival in islam. Our invitation to be rid of the murderous pedophile’s lies must be equally persistent.
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